okay and i meant it by is it not from a complete hawk oh and sorry but does this have lugs :/

swap for my kink lost dutchman frame. it has recently been sprayed black proffessionally although it does hasve one tiny dent in the left chainstay but barely noticeable. what size top tube is this and is it an after market one?

can you go any lower than £160 mate cheers

ill swap my volume la sprayed black-20.5tt and some cash

whats the lowest you can go?

have you still got this,how ,much do you want??